I'm not satisfied with modern scientism's explanation for the "universe". I've searched the internet for two years now and the only proof I've found for such is pseudoscience and other logical fallacies. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. What I'm looking for is actual curvature or axial rotation from independent, non-manipulated imagery or logic. Such from government sources and space agencies are demonstrably unreliable.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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NASA openly admits that they're all Photoshop bro. Like i say, there are pictures of unicorns and 200 foot gorillas out there, but that goes against our common senses. Water has never been found in humped form on any measurable scale, but it should be, in order for the earth to be a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference. Research flat earth theory, don't take my word for it. Stay away from the flat earth society though, it's run by shills.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Pictures are not proof of anything. You can go see the death star for about $10 now, is that evidence for its existence?
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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the movement has grown by 200 people a year since 2009, so I have to believe it is still a very small number of consipracy theorists...
http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312141.html#msg1312141
I personally will argue that there is a larger chance of us being Startrek hologram characters than Earth actually being flat. I did see on the society site they have pretty nice rebuttals about frequent points about earth being round, so I will not attempt to actually debate this point.
My only argument will have to be that NASA, Russia, Elon Musk, SpaceX, all telescope people,,etc conspiring on this is pretty unlikely.
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- Walt Disney
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I create space images on Photoshop all the time because there are some theories out there, such as black holes, where the only image that could be produced is digital. And not even for theories either - most pictures you see of our own galaxy, for example, are digitally generated and based off of what scientists have said are galaxies that most resemble our own. Sometimes scientists gather information on, say, a star, using radio technology and astrophysics-aligned math, but the telescope picture is small or too blurry because it's so far away. That's another instance where an artist would be given the information he needs to accurately digitally recreate an image of that star. There are a lot of fine reasons why NASA needs Photoshop, but I don't think any of them have ever had to do with images of the earth. If you know anything about that please say.
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http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/09/17/but-it-moves-how-we-know-the-e/
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The only observable evidence of "gravity" is what goes up must come down. This contradicts a spherical earth. People knew the earth was flat for thousands of years. When Aristotle first postulated that the earth was round, they probably didn't think that someone would be living on the underside of it. Then, when that was realized, some magical "force" was needed to explain how this could be. Enter Newton and his answer with his theory, that supported Aristotle's initial theory, which had since graduated to an assumption. What you are try in to do now is prove the assumption with the theory. It's ok to make some assumptions to form a theory, but eventually you should prove the assumption.
"That's how the earth was created; "
Another assumption.. along with "space" which none of us have witnessed, what the core of the ball earth is, we've only dug 8 miles down, so it is NOT empirical, as you falsely stated. What if it's an infinite plane?
As far as the horizon, if you were to rise in altitude, it would fall and curve away, unlike reality, which stays flat and eye level.
Circumnavigation was explained before. Look a couple of posts up.
"Also, when has NASA ever admitted they photoshopped pictures of earth"
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html
http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/space/finding-sex-on-nasas-epic-earth-image-once-you-see-it-you-wont-unsee-it/
"For axial rotation, look no farther than the sky...the sun doesn't orbit the earth,"
Of course not, nothing "orbits the earth, the sun is small and close. It circuits around the north pole, lighting locally. This is provable by looking at crepuscular rays.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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See above, I'm new here.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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It is also interesting that they don't accept anything as evidence to the contrary, citing conspiracy theories.
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You're just going to drop a link? I've shredded that list Long ago, some even here, pick your favorite for discussions.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Just after the nearest globetard claiming the earth is actually pear shaped, they will then cite Neil Degrasse Tyson saying so as their proof. Another thing globetards can't seem to get straight is the height in which the supposed curvature becomes visible on their spinning cartoon pearoid. Some globetards will tell you they can see the curvature from on top of a mountain, while other globetards proclaim they can see the curvature from outside an airplane window. But the smartest of the globetards will contradict his fellow ball worshippers and proclaim that one must be much higher than that in order to see the supposed curvature of the magical tilting pearoid. This alone gives us some insight into the fast paced research of globetards. Because all they had to do at some point, was to open their minds and use the senses they were created with to find out. Despite this, these gullible globe guzzlers think they can make pronouncements about reality, even though they have never actually lived in it. -FEA
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Anytime anyone refuses to even consider a contrary view to the popularly-held beliefs, you should highly question that view having any validity whatsoever, even more than other views. Valid viewpoints take both sides of an argument with equal weight and accept any potential new information and test it without bias against an overarching hypothesis. However, it is usually the views that cannot be supported by evidence that choose to take more of an ad-hominem attack by questioning the person's character rather than the evidence presented.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Also, You are comparing to different things while i was comparing two of the same things. i.e You compared billiard balls and the table, While i compared millions of planets to one planet. Only from a theistic point of view can the earth be THIS special. And in my theistic point of view, God created many planets with different races, Different prophets on different worlds. Our's isn't special.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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2nd : No problem with your point of view, But i don't think the bible explicitly says the earth is flat does it? [Muslim here]
3rd: LOL.
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Yes, the Bible is a flat earth book.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Just after the nearest globetard claiming the earth is actually pear shaped, they will then cite Neil Degrasse Tyson saying so as their proof. Another thing globetards can't seem to get straight is the height in which the supposed curvature becomes visible on their spinning cartoon pearoid. Some globetards will tell you they can see the curvature from on top of a mountain, while other globetards proclaim they can see the curvature from outside an airplane window. But the smartest of the globetards will contradict his fellow ball worshippers and proclaim that one must be much higher than that in order to see the supposed curvature of the magical tilting pearoid. This alone gives us some insight into the fast paced research of globetards. Because all they had to do at some point, was to open their minds and use the senses they were created with to find out. Despite this, these gullible globe guzzlers think they can make pronouncements about reality, even though they have never actually lived in it. -FEA
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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East Do the same, South do the same and finally North do the same. You can examine the ring on saturn and how it is a little rotated on the planet.
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Rings don't necessarily mean spherical terra firma
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